[Duraspace] Fwd: [GOAL] Re: Unnecessary Services

Hilton Gibson hilton.gibson at gmail.com
Sat May 30 16:04:10 SAST 2015


*Hilton Gibson*
Ubuntu Linux Systems Administrator
Stellenbosch University Library

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From: Michael Eisen <mbeisen at gmail.com>
Date: 30 May 2015 at 14:53
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Unnecessary Services
To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <goal at eprints.org>

There is no evidence that post publication review can assure quality, I
agree. But there is a wealth of evidence that pre-publication review DOES
NOT assure quality, and it is absurd to spend $10b a year and delay the
open availability of typical papers by 10 months to achieve it.

On Friday, May 29, 2015, Stevan Harnad <amsciforum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike Eisen
> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#inbox/14da0a74f200e99b> writes:
> *“I believe we should get rid of publishers… the services they provide are
> either easy to replicate (formatting articles to look pretty) or they
> currently do extremely poorly (peer review)… these services are
> unnecessary… [we should] move to a system where you post things when you
> want to post them, and that people comment/rate/annotate articles as they
> read them post publication.”*1. PLOS
> <http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1580> (like other publishers) seems
> to be charging a hefty price for “services that are unnecessary.” ;>)
> 2. I agree completely that we should get rid of publishers' unnecessary
> services <http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Tp/resolution.htm#4.2> and
> their costs. But how to do that, while they are still controlled by
> publishers and bundled into subscriptions in exchange for access?
> My answer
> <http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1154-The-Inevitable-Success-of-Transitional-Green-Open-Access.html> is
> the one Mike calls “parasitic <http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1710>”:
> Institutions and funders worldwide mandate Green OA (with the
> “copy-request” Button to circumvent publisher OA embargoes). The
> cancellations that that will make possible will force publishers to drop
> the unnecessary services and their costs and downsize to Fair-Gold for peer
> review alone..
> 3. But I disagree with Mike about peer-review
> <http://www.nature.com/nature/webmatters/invisible/invisible.html>: it
> will remain the sole essential service. And the (oft-voiced) notion that
> peer-review can be replaced by crowd-sourcing, after “publication” is pure
> speculation, supported by no evidence that it can ensure quality at least
> as well as classical peer review, nor that is it scalable and sustainable

Michael Eisen, Ph.D.
Investigator, Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Professor of Genetics, Genomics and Development
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
University of California, Berkeley

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